A Note To Danny Glover (No, The Other One…)
By Turk on Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 11:51 pm
It seems Danny Glover over at the Beltway Blogroll (who, unlike David, at least didn’t refer to me as a friend since we’ve never met) took up David’s battle flag and charged up the hill today.
Turk, a competitor of All’s in the e-politics world, took the attack up several notches with a post headlined “I’ve Lost What Little Respect For David All I Had Left.”
“David is, by all accounts, a master of self-promotion,” Turk wrote. “It’s entirely possible that he made a conscious choice to take the contrarian position solely to further his agenda of making David everything that David can be. … I think David is calculating and has come to the conclusion that taking these positions gets him noticed. I think that’s why he took his post against RedState and circulated it to the media (as Erick alleges).”When All responded, Turk pounced again. Among other things, he criticized All for not having embraced efforts to improve the RightRoots online fundraising site that failed miserably last year and for instead building a competing site, Slatecard.
I honestly don’t know where to begin on this one. Let’s start with the softballs and bat some out of the park, then we can work on those wild pitches.
First, David is anything but “a competitor … in the e-politics world.” The fact is, I have a day job with a major trade association. I do some consulting work on the side, but I do it for people who call me. I’m not out chasing business like the eQuivalent of an ambulance chaser. David’s managed Internet operations for a couple of Congressmen with name ID in the teens. That’s hardly what I would consider a wealth of experience. When he does something… anything… that makes a difference in an actual election, come talk to me…
Second, let’s tackle the accusation that RightRoots was a “failure”. I’m not sure what Danny’s resume includes, but here’s a basic fact that may have escaped him in his climb to the middle. Challenger and open seat races are often losers. Rightroots picked 21 seats running against entrenched Democrats or for open seats. The slate went 2 for 19. That’s almost 10% for those of you keeping score.
If you’re judging anyone’s “success” as a function of winning in 2006, you’re going to be declaring a lot of people losers. How many seats did we lose last year? How many challengers got elected? How many sitting Democrats lost? Putting that at the feet of RightRoots is just stupid. Saying RightRoots was a failure because the GOP got its ass kicked up and down the ballot plays into the hands of all those who claim the Internet’s not important because it’s never made the difference. Ignoring clear success that occurs within an environment of failure misses the forest and the trees.
Now looking at RightRoots as a function of how much was raised is a whole different story. Through the help of a group of top bloggers, the site (which was a pilot project anyway) raised $300,000 in 90 days. That exceeds what ActBlue raised in its first 90 days and places RightRoots ahead of well established and well connected PACs in this town that raised and spent far less.
My point about David was he, knowing that an effort was underway and knowing we had established a name in the field, chose not to help with that, and instead chose to launch a competitor because he could put his name on it, and take credit for it. Don’t believe that? Look at his Facebook page and see who he lists as his employer.
Work Info
Employer: Slatecard.com PAC Position: Executive Director Time Period: October 2007 – Present Location: Alexandria, VA Description: Slatecard (http://slatecard.com) is a utility to support and enhance Republican activism.
As I said in both of my posts, I believe David is self-serving, and puts himself above the cause. But, as I also said, if that’s what he feels he needs to do to get ahead, that’s his prerogative. I don’t respect it. I’ve worked for too many people in politics who got ahead (and got their candidates elected) by playing the game with integrity and a commitment to the cause.
I also feel it’s unfortunate that Danny felt the need to selectively represent my posts and completely ignored the lengthy discussion of why I feel, on the merits of his argument about Ron Paul, David All is way of the mark. I sent Danny the following note after I saw his post. I’ll let you know if I hear anything back.
I’m surprised at your post. I’m not sure if you didn’t read my posts completely, or if you just chose to selectively represent them. In my first post, I specifically stated that I had no problem with David being a rabid self-promoter. I don’t respect it, but if that’s more important to him than the cause, so be it.
I repeated that sentiment in the second post, and specifically stated that if that’s his business model, that’s fine. I then spent considerable time exploring exactly why he’s dead wrong about Paul or his supporters falling into the fold should he lose. You failed to mention that as well.
Finally, RightRoots, with no budget, and set up as a pilot project to test whether we could actually raise funds effectively on an ActBlue model, raised 300,000 in 90 days. That number greatly exceeds what ActBlue was able to do in their first 90 days (which also fell directly before the election). I’m not sure how that qualifies as “failing miserably”, but if generating more contributions than established PACs that have been raising money for years is failing, i’m not sure I understand your barometer for success.
Comments (4)
Category: Bloggers, Fundraising, Operatives, Politics, Republicans, The Internet
Comment by Danny Glover
Made Sunday, 28 of October , 2007 at 11:01 am
I didn’t get your e-mail but found your response through the link back to Beltway Blogroll. I’m happy to respond to your points.
I did read your posts entirely. My entry was a response to the spirit of those posts, as evidenced in the headlines and general tone, and of the ones by Erick Erickson and Lance Dutson. In my view, you were not defending RedState’s decision about Ron Paul so much as you were using that as a launching pad to personally attack David All, and that approach buried and undermined your arguments about Ron Paul and his backers. That’s my analysis, mind you, but my analysis is what you’re going to get at Beltway Blogroll.
As for dubbing RightRoots a failure, the barometer I used is pretty obvious from the post I linked back to — the win-loss record of the candidates you backed. It’s the same barometer GOP bloggers had used for two years to ridicule liberal bloggers who raised money through ActBlue and other outlets. I don’t know whether you were one of those bloggers. But before netroots candidates actually won races in 2006, that generally was the standard embraced by GOP bloggers to judge the success of their rivals.
I figure what’s good for the netroots goose is good for the RightRoots gander.
Furthermore, your comparison of your RightRoots fundraising in 2006 to what ActBlue accomplished when it started is an apples-and-oranges comparison. As you well know, the online political world is much more established now than it was then, so a startup today theoretically is on more solid footing out of the gate. Raising $300,000 in 90 days in 2006, when accounting for both economic inflation and e-politics growth, is not the same as ActBlue raising money as the true innovator in the field.
RightRoots also had the endorsement of then-Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist — something ActBlue did not have when it was working to crash the gates of the Democratic establishment.
And one more point along those lines: Ironically, you did not mention that Rep. Jack Kingston, one of those “Congressmen with name ID in the teens” for whom David All worked, cut RightRoots a check for $14,000 when it met an early fundraising goal. So David All, who undoubtedly helped persuade Kingston to back RightRoots, was indirectly responsible for helping RightRoots raise more than 4.5 percent of its money in 2006. Can we expect that you’ll now be giving him some credit for helping elect the two RightRoots candidates who did win in 2006?
Comment by Turk
Made Sunday, 28 of October , 2007 at 12:26 pm
And one more point along those lines: Ironically, you did not mention that Rep. Jack Kingston, one of those “Congressmen with name ID in the teens” for whom David All worked, cut RightRoots a check for $14,000 when it met an early fundraising goal. So David All, who undoubtedly helped persuade Kingston to back RightRoots, was indirectly responsible for helping RightRoots raise more than 4.5 percent of its money in 2006. Can we expect that you’ll now be giving him some credit for helping elect the two RightRoots candidates who did win in 2006?
Actually, even a cursory amount of research would have disproved your claim. Go back and look at our FEC reports. Kingston didn’t give us a dime. If you don’t want to actually research before writing, you can Google Rightroots and Kingston and read any of the posts that explained the challenge.
Kingston, based on us raising funds, agreed to cut checks to each of the House candidates in the amount of $1,000 each. That was free and clear of what we raised, and never passed through our account.
To your point about the netroots/RightRoots barometer, it’s good to see that you, again, decided not to do any research about me before including me in a broader attack against their faulty yardstick. In my post linked above, I have clearly stated that simply because Republicans don’t attribute their losses to the Democrats’ use of the Net doesn’t mean nobody has won because of it.
Our candidates have a significant problem raising funds online, but the fact is our candidates this year have a significant problem raising funds at all. If you strip away what Hillary and Obama have raised online, their traditional fundraising is still blowing our guys away. We have a bigger problem with a party out of touch with its supporters, but that’s another post entirely.
Finally, my original post on David was exactly that, a post about David. His defense of Paul’s anti-Semitic minions was what triggered it, but it encompasses a variety of issues on which David is way off the mark.
You can take your pick on those. Whether it’s Net Neutrality and advocating a big government solution the issue (despite his professed Republican beliefs); his support of Google in its assault on political speech; his defense of the indefensible under the guise of beating Hillary; or his general tendency to put himself above his clients or his party; I find all of it distasteful.
However, his assertion that RedState should allow Paul’s fringe supporters to spew bile simply because one or two of his supporters may eventually cast a vote for Hillary was the final straw.
In all the years I have spent in politics, I have never compromised principles to get a candidate elected. I would never argue that allowing the worst behavior simply to get a vote is a good idea.
Comment by hippyleftist
Made Monday, 29 of October , 2007 at 11:55 pm
If campaign victories are the best indicator of a campaign hack’s abilities, then David All and Bob Shrum are both brilliant.
Comment by svetcov
Made Wednesday, 31 of October , 2007 at 1:42 am
How about we stop shooting arrows at each other and find a way to elect some traditional, fiscally conservative, socially moderate, republicans to both both houses and the presidency. It seems that historically the party occupying the majority of the middle gets elected and it is much easier for a fiscal conservative and social moderate to occupy the middle.
PS – I’m not fond of anti-semitism and I would prefer that was left to the Democrats (no pun intended). Rs should not be forwarding anti-semitic candidates or candidates who believe that the only reason for Jews to be in Israel is to initiate Armageddon.
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